Debt
Posted by mediocredave on August 3, 2011
A good friend of mine has just been sent to prison where, for a limited time, he will join other men in paying off his debt to society. Each of these men has committed, or at least been found guilty of, a crime and has been locked away. For most, if not all, of them, this custodial sentence is not keeping them off of the streets for our safety; these are not people sufficiently dangerous to the general public that they must be incarcerated at all times. Instead, there is a more complex and symbolic philosophy at work; these men are being punished, and their punishment will make amends for their crimes. Their debt to society will be repaid.
I’ve never understood it, personally. I can see how a fine or community service may be seen to fit this accepted rhetoric, with the convicted person making some formal contribution to the broader community, but a prison sentence seems to strive for an oddly karmic sense of equilibrium. A criminal has (presumably) inflicted some suffering by their crime, and in so doing has incurred a societal debt. By being caused to suffer themselves they are able to pay it off. They have been punished. I believe that’s how the logic goes, and yet unlike direct restorative justice, which sees perpetrators and victims brought together in communication to find a way to make amends, prison is not in the interests of either the victims or the wider community to any greater degree than that ‘justice’ can be seen to be done – prison costs the tax payer money. Yet, in spite of all of this, my friend was told that he had to repay his debt to society.
What I find most egregious about this phrase, and the ideology it represents, is the hypocrisy. It is the idea that we suffer and heal and forgive collectively. This is, in itself, a beautiful notion, but it is inconsistent with the nature of our judicial system. The idea of a ‘debt to society’, of a common interest, of all our fates being interwoven and our prospects interdependent is the philosophy of solidarity and comradeship, it is the philosophy of the hard left; the ideology underpinning the concept of a ‘debt to society’ can best be summarised with the phrase “an injury to one is an injury to all” – the language of the organised labour movement. And yet the idea of a ‘debt to society’ is invoked by the establishment, it is the mantra of the right, of Law and Order loving conservatives, of the children of Thatcher, who told us there was no such thing as society, of those who promote individualism and self sufficiency, and it is a hypocrisy. If we truly believed that we each have a duty to society, and that failure to act in the interests of others is a crime, we wouldn’t waste prison space with petty offenders; the cells would be filled with the the self-serving individualists; the politicians, journalists and business tycoons who place their own advancement over that of those around them. If there is such a thing as society, and if by victimising individuals within it one deserves the condemnation of the whole and incurs a debt, then we must act like it at all times, not just when it comes to sentencing criminals. If not, then we should be honest about what the justice system stands for; not to protect the shared interests of us all, but to preserve the power of the establishment and maintain the status quo.
I believe in society, and Jonnie Marbles doesn’t owe me any debt.
Andrew said
I agree with a lot if not most of what you say here. I am not convinced that jail isn’t the best or a safer place to keep hard criminals like murderers and serial rapists but by the same token I am not of the view that the world is jam packed with criminals. I also do not believe that TV licence dodgers, beggars or pie throwers for that matter deserve jail.
I believe in society, and Jonnie Marbles doesn’t owe me any debt.
Andy Sykes said
Mofo you owe me 3 mins back.
“…prison is not in the interests of either the victims or the wider community to any greater degree than that ‘justice’ can be seen to be done…”
What a try-hard piece of encapsulated tosh! the veer from specific tosh, to general tosh throughout your writing says it all really.
Jonny doesn’t owe because your his friend, perhaps you should consider a victim’s expectation of justice before espousing your lofty ideals.
Tony Walker said
Rules in society seem to be made by the winners, they make the rules so you can either join them or band together to change the rules or change the game altogether.
Steve said
Well in this case the ‘victim’ didn’t even see fit to press charges, though he might have expected you to know ‘your’ from ‘you’re’.
Andy Sykes said
Well done Steve, Well done, no really I mean it, good on you. In absence of a counter-argument, fall back on grammatical errors, particularly those that will continue to be the pitfall of many. Clearly my other usage of your/you’re was correct, indicating that I’m usually able to tell the difference, but it got me an extra line from Stevie all the same.
Come here so I can pat you on the back, mate. Well done!
mediocredave said
What kind of counter argument were you expecting? You called the piece tosh, the best counter argument anyone could offer was to say “It’s not tosh”. You asked me to consider the victim’s expectation of justice and, as Steve pointed out, the victim didn’t want to press charges.
blogalot38c said
Clearly as sentencing guidelines were not followed the 6 weeks sentence given out was meant to be an example to protestors about what happens when you attack the rich and powerful. On a general note prison doesn’t work you just have to look at the statistics to see this, for example America has one of the highest ratios of prisoners per population it doesn’t have low crime in contrast. Restorative justice is the logical way to go, we need to stop concentrating on revenge but rehabilitation. Obviously there are exceptions to this as I am sure someone will point out.
Andy Sykes said
Mediocre Dave, that was directed at Stevie, who could only point out typos.
Maybe your piece should have just consisted entirely of, ‘Jonny owes me nothing because Murdoch didn’t press charges’. Speaking of which, that didn’t factor into your argument at all. So it hardly matters now does it?